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#185769 - 21st Nov 2007 10:21am Petrol Left Standing
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After trying many attempts to start my car, still no luck.

I got a spark and fuel, but its still not quite starting.

Not done a compression test yet, but hopefully going to check that tomorrow.

The car has half a tank of fuel in it from when I started work on it about 10 months ago.

Just wondering if the petrol could have deteriorated over this time causing it not to start?
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#185812 - 21st Nov 2007 5:25pm Re: Petrol Left Standing [Re: BMW Joe]
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yes its possible petrol does go off, altho i think it takes longer than that.

did you check the spark at the plugs or on the coil? (ht leads?)
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#185818 - 21st Nov 2007 6:54pm Re: Petrol Left Standing [Re: jonny boy]
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petrol doesn't really go off, it just looses its octane level. it will still be able to ignite just not with as much of a bang as new stuff.
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#185838 - 21st Nov 2007 8:52pm Re: Petrol Left Standing [Re: turbo_stu]
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ok cheers

spark plugs are fine, no problems with ignition or fuel, just refuses to start think
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#185840 - 21st Nov 2007 9:03pm Re: Petrol Left Standing [Re: BMW Joe]
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Originally Posted By: BMW Joe
ok cheers

spark plugs are fine, no problems with ignition or fuel, just refuses to start think


timing issues???
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#185843 - 21st Nov 2007 9:11pm Re: Petrol Left Standing [Re: jonny boy]
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nope, timing is spot on aswell.

I have put a K&N on it which wasnt on it when it was running before I put the new head on.
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#185869 - 22nd Nov 2007 8:26am Re: Petrol Left Standing [Re: BMW Joe]
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Have you checked the ignition timing and the cam timing?

If you have fuel and spark, its hard to see how it can be much else think

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#185878 - 22nd Nov 2007 11:34am Re: Petrol Left Standing [Re: StuyMac]
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Have you checked the ignition timing and the cam timing?

If you have fuel and spark, its hard to see how it can be much else think



same here, both are fine, ignition timing and cam timing are as one, so theres nothing that can go wrong there.

timing between the top and bottom is also spot on as i said, its about to spark as the piston reaches the top.
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#185930 - 22nd Nov 2007 6:35pm Re: Petrol Left Standing [Re: BMW Joe]
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immobiliser????

i have a device on my car, that lets the engine turn over but wont let it start, and i've fooked around for hours with the engine until i noticed the switch had been flicked, talk about feeling stooopid... doh...
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#185931 - 22nd Nov 2007 6:48pm Re: Petrol Left Standing [Re: jonny boy]
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no immobiliser

did a compression test today and they were all above 10 bar, even with a drained battery.

next thing is a tow round the block and try and start it in gear pray
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#185932 - 22nd Nov 2007 7:15pm Re: Petrol Left Standing [Re: BMW Joe]
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joe some cars have a fuel cut off that activates in an accident or it can go off if the car has a bump on the front, or sometimes if the battery goes flat.. they can also trip if accidentaly caught by ur foot.. i had one in my old car just under the dash in the drivers footwell... dunno if bmw's have them, its just a thought...
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#185934 - 22nd Nov 2007 8:02pm Re: Petrol Left Standing [Re: jonah]
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nah, deffo getting fuel, I keep flooding it every time and have to keep taking my plugs out so it evaporates lol

spoke to chris bmw today and he said fuel goes 'stale' after about 6 months and its probably not helping it start, so I will syphon the half tank I have into a 25 litre barrel he's lent me and fill it with fresh fuel.

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#185972 - 23rd Nov 2007 8:31am Re: Petrol Left Standing [Re: BMW Joe]
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Is the injector loom connected correctly, and is the firing order correct - ie HT Leads in the right order...?

As already mentioned, fuel will go off, but it really only tends to lose octane pts - it should still fire OK. I know cars that have started after standing for 2-3 years!!!


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#185980 - 23rd Nov 2007 10:13am Re: Petrol Left Standing [Re: StuyMac]
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Originally Posted By: StuyMac
Is the injector loom connected correctly, and is the firing order correct - ie HT Leads in the right order...?

yes
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#186005 - 23rd Nov 2007 8:21pm Re: Petrol Left Standing [Re: BMW Joe]
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