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#164758 - 3rd Aug 2007 10:40pm Canon 1DS Mark II
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lenses all depend on how versatile u want the camera to be, the camera in it's basic state could take amazing shots i'm sure, but with lenses i suppose it would eliminate limitations for certain things. definitely a top of the line product ad far more than i could afford!

was thinkin of gettin a camera meself for gettin into photography, liking nature and stil life, never tried shootin vehicles tho come to think of it

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#164759 - 3rd Aug 2007 10:50pm Re: For Sale: Canon 1DS Mark II [Re: Davey_Martin]
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Lol, how does a camera take a photo in its "basic state", when in its "basic state" it doesnt include a lens?

You cant shoot directly onto the sensor, you need something (a lens) in front of it to actually take a shot lol.

This is where people are confusing this for a "toy" like Totopop mentioned earlier and a "real" camera, its a professional DSLR, not a 100 point and shoot camera, not even a 500 Nikon D80, its extremely expensive and its designed and built only for professionals who both know how to use a camera (have been trained to a very high standard) and have the money to pay 700 each for a range of lenses the likes of Nikon and Canon and Schneider.

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#164760 - 3rd Aug 2007 11:07pm Re: For Sale: Canon 1DS Mark II [Re: MattLFC]
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so u pay 1000-1500 on a camera that doesnt do shit without a lense which will cost u a further 500+ ? lol

that's shite imo

i paid 1200 on decks and they do everything u would expect, dont have to buy extras for them to do the job, dont tell me they are toys tease

it appears cameras are over priced, rather spend my money elsewhere lol - i also believe it's the rate new picture technology surfaces that keeps these prices inflated to this level

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#164761 - 3rd Aug 2007 11:08pm Re: For Sale: Canon 1DS Mark II [Re: Davey_Martin]
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ps: i thought it would have some kind of standard lens - i dont really know about cameras but the ones i've looked into had ome kind of lens, unless 700 cameras are still toys?

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#164762 - 3rd Aug 2007 11:15pm Re: For Sale: Canon 1DS Mark II [Re: Davey_Martin]
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You are not a professional photographer and you obviously have no idea about how much professional camera's cost and how they work nor the industry.

This is why you think its shite lol. I did myself, until I started taking an interest in photography, then I began to realise why these camera's cost so much. Its not a new thing either, normal SLR's have always been expensive.

You try telling David Baily or Ken Rockwell that this camera is shite because its price is high and it requires addon lenses (which may I point out will offer FAR more flexibility and much higher quality then even the best non DSLR will ever be able to, provided the photographer can use the camera correctly).

I mean this cam can shoot 4fps and has a top ISO of 8000!!

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Lenses like this arnt cheap to make, never mind buy:


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#164763 - 3rd Aug 2007 11:20pm Re: For Sale: Canon 1DS Mark II [Re: Davey_Martin]
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Originally Posted By: Davey_Martin
ps: i thought it would have some kind of standard lens - i dont really know about cameras but the ones i've looked into had ome kind of lens, unless 700 cameras are still toys?

700 cam's are still toys compared to the likes of these beasts lol.

700 camera's are in the range of amateur - the beginnings of semi-pro, and are not generally used by professional photographers, except some Paparazzi who buy them because they have a habit of dropping them and dont particuarly need the highest quality shots and biggest sensors etc money can buy.

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#164765 - 3rd Aug 2007 11:23pm Re: For Sale: Canon 1DS Mark II [Re: MattLFC]
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nice pelting there, cheers wink

hd tv's cost more than older tv's but still reasonable, new consoles cost more than old but still reasonable, new decks cost more but still reasonable, new age cameras cost a rediculous amount and u still have to spend a rediculous amount more to get ur money's worth

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#164768 - 3rd Aug 2007 11:29pm Re: For Sale: Canon 1DS Mark II [Re: Davey_Martin]
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Tell me the price of an HD television 6 years ago - and yes they did exist, as the US have had HD for upwards of 9 years.

The reason these camera's and their lenses cost so much money is because they are specialist products that are built for professional's to use.

They are not suitable for the average consumer, 99% of the market, they are also too advanced and cost too much to produce to market towards sem-professionals etc.

They are specialist products and therefore demand specialist pricing. Just like cinema screens are specialist products and demand specialist prices when compared with consumer televisions and just like supercomputers are sepcialist products and demand specialist prices when compared to Joe Bloggs Core2Quad PC.

Are you realising why they cost so much yet??

Professional's are more then happy to pay the price's, so I would say the pricing is obviously justified if professional's are happy with it, as opposed to accepting your opinion that these are shite just because they have a high price tag, even though you have never used one and have no idea about the industry or high end DSLR's.

And to be honest, these types of camera's are only the tip of the iceberg, you wanna take a look at the likes of Nikkor, Leica to name but a few!

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#164770 - 3rd Aug 2007 11:32pm Re: For Sale: Canon 1DS Mark II [Re: MattLFC]
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Originally Posted By: MattLFC

Are you realising why they cost so much yet??


not really, no. same could be said for my decks lol... we'll agree to disagree, u're obviously someone who would be willing to spend that kind of cash on something u cant use proply til u pay even more.

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#164771 - 3rd Aug 2007 11:35pm Re: For Sale: Canon 1DS Mark II [Re: Davey_Martin]
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Well your decks are useless if you dont buy media to use on them (whether it be vinyl or cd). The same as DSLR's are useless unless you buy lenses to use on them.

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#164772 - 3rd Aug 2007 11:38pm Re: For Sale: Canon 1DS Mark II [Re: MattLFC]
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compare the price of vinyls/cd's to lenses, there's a slight difference

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#164775 - 3rd Aug 2007 11:48pm Re: For Sale: Canon 1DS Mark II [Re: Davey_Martin]
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Hmmm, compare how many vinyls or cd's you need compared to lenses. You might spend 10,000 buying a great DSLR camera and a range of lenses, they will last you a good 10 - 20 years, you will just need the odd upgrade/addition every now and again, but I guarantee professional DJ's have record/cd collections that are worth far more.

Dont forget, many of these professionals in both area's dont pay a penny of their own money for these things, they are sponsored or get them bought by managment companies etc...

I know for a fact that Johnny Rizk gets tons of new CD's every single's and promo's week, some for promotional purposes, but most are just stuff he wants and if didnt work for Mix FM and one of his collegue's was Amadeus, he would have to pay for them, and his collection would have easily cost him thousands over the years.

Id hate to know how much the likes of Ferry Corsten's or Matt Darey's collection's would have cost them over the years at retail price.

Unless you play only old tunes when you DJ, you will be buying new releases every single week. You dont need to a buy a new lens every week on the other hand, just when you need one of a certain specification to meet your needs, and once you have it, you have it, its good forever, it wont be out of fashion in a month cos its been used too widely and publicly already lol.

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#164776 - 3rd Aug 2007 11:49pm Re: For Sale: Canon 1DS Mark II [Re: Davey_Martin]
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for example, you where offered a season in IBIZA as a DJ, but you had no equipment or vinyls, so you go out and buy a decent set of decks, say Technics SL1210's, Then some Stylus and some slipmats, then as its a travelling job you will require a flight case, then if bought all at the same time how much would a good vinyl collection set you back and how long would it last till you had to buy more vinyls to keep up to date with the current club sounds.
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#164777 - 3rd Aug 2007 11:50pm Re: For Sale: Canon 1DS Mark II [Re: Waddi]
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beat me to it (sort of)
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#164779 - 3rd Aug 2007 11:57pm Re: For Sale: Canon 1DS Mark II [Re: Waddi]
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Originally Posted By: Waddi
for example, you where offered a season in IBIZA as a DJ, but you had no equipment or vinyls, so you go out and buy a decent set of decks<<< if ur gonna get a job in a worthwhile club u'll already have decent enugh equipment

Then some Stylus and some slipmats <<< they come with the TTs 9 times out of 10

then as its a travelling job you will require a flight case<< can be claimed back quite easily under self employment given u have a reasonable income from djing. (and who said about careers) tease

yep i agree, to maintin a vinyl collection it would cost alot, already spent over 600 on vinyl which is y i sitched to CD, just buy mp3's and burn em to a disc, very cheap


again, i wil say, they both have their pros and cons but the price for this kind of thing is unreal ps: sorry totopop, my fault ur Sale thread got jacked

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