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#143361 - 24th Nov 2006 12:43pm Speeding Through Red Light
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Right, my brother has had a letter informing him that he has been caught going through a Red Light at 35mph.

As he has not sent back the form yet, it doesn't say what the actual penalty is.

Does anyone know the likely outcome?

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#143362 - 24th Nov 2006 12:47pm Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: rossi-foci]
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the likely outcome is,i can only imagine, at least 3 points and a fine for the speeding,at least 3 points and a fine for the red light,and if he's unlucky,dangerous driving charge aswell. how long has he been driving? very silly of him to run a red,especially at speed
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#143363 - 24th Nov 2006 1:04pm Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: scoop]
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He's been driving 18months, but is a regional manager for quite a big company, so the possibility of a ban is slight as he relies on driving for work.

The offence itself was from June 06..but because its a company car its taken this long to get to him. It was 35mph in a 30 zone, and he says he doesn't remember it but wouldnt jump a blatent red light, so was probably amber going through red but he won't find out the other details until they return the form.

A dual offence is often taken as 5 points aparantly. I.E. Undertaking at speed is 5 points, as it is classed as dual offence, so its not very clear

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#143366 - 24th Nov 2006 2:14pm Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: rossi-foci]
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AFAIK the offence will either be running a red light or speeding confused

Ive never seen the speed camera time lines running accross a trafic light junction.

I think he needs to get more info first and clarify what the actualy offence is, maybe the offence code?

Either way, for either offence, I belive its a £60 fine and 3 points.
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#143368 - 24th Nov 2006 2:16pm Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: rossi-foci]
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Iirc, if he is in the first 2 years of driving and gets 6 points, its an automatic license revoke, not an issue for the courts to decide.

So the likelyhood of him being able to argue that he needs the license for work is unlikely to make a difference.

I think it will most probably be 3 points and a fine though.

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#143371 - 24th Nov 2006 2:52pm Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: MattLFC]
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Yeh, I assume 3 points and a fine too but he will have to wait and see what he gets back.

Although its an automatic liscence revoke after 6 points, if they are in one offense and that offense is contested, the court can make a decision depending on mitigating circumstances.
A girl I know got 3 points, then contested the next 3 and was allowed it on the ground that a lisence revoke would have affected livelihood.

Will let you know what the outcome is.

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#143374 - 24th Nov 2006 4:36pm Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: StuyMac]
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Originally Posted By: StuyMac
Ive never seen the speed camera time lines running accross a trafic light junction.


thats a very good point,they can't PROVE he was speeding so he can only get done for running the red. i'd speak to a solicitor but im pretty sure they CANT do him for speeding
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#143376 - 24th Nov 2006 5:03pm Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: scoop]
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Can you rememeber about 18months ago
where there was the New Chief of Police in Midlesbrough,
he was the one that brought in the "ZERO TOLLERANCE"

Well his car got a simular ticket which turned up
6months later or so.

But the point was they couldnt procercute as no
one could remember who was driving.

So he got off with it, i'm sure i posted somthing
about it but cant find it.

I think your brother needs to establish

Who was driving the car First - Then worry about his licence.

Hope that helps ?
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#143384 - 24th Nov 2006 6:32pm Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: Mark]
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are there cameras on traffic lights so if u jump one you can get caught?? or are they the ones that just look like speed cameras?

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#143386 - 24th Nov 2006 7:22pm Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: Gary]
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I;m not sure, I mean, the whole issue is a bit murkey, and he is going to speak to the lawyers who represent his company I think.

But the fact it was 6 months ago, and is a company car that could have been used by anyone that works for him means it wont be crystal clear!

It doesn't actuaally state in this first letter he has how he got caught, so i suspect maybe he was spotted by police who didnt pull him over because it would mean them jumping them too...

Its all very hard to decifer. I mean, he drives a new a3 and is quite a repsectful driver, and swears that it must have been amber just hitting red, as he isnt a scally in a chavalier that might plow through a blatent red!

I Guess we'll have to see how it pans out!

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#143390 - 24th Nov 2006 11:20pm Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: rossi-foci]
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Keep us updated as the picture becomes clearer smile
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#143391 - 25th Nov 2006 12:00am Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: Mark]
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Originally Posted By: rossi-foci
I mean, he drives a new a3 and is quite a repsectful driver, and swears that it must have been amber just hitting red, as he isnt a scally in a chavalier that might plow through a blatent red!
Im afraid a red light camera does not flash you if you go through the light on amber, it gets you a second or so after the red light has become active.

So no matter what he says, me "must" have jumped a red light, not been looking at the lights or been going far too fast to stop for it.

The innocence story doesnt wash with me im afraid. He may be a careful driver and it probably was a genuine mistake, but it certainly was him in the wrong if he has been caught jumping a red light.

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#143393 - 25th Nov 2006 1:01am Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: MattLFC]
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Just so you know, the police are supposed to get in contact with a "notice of intended prosecution" within 14 days of a traffic offence. I know this is true for SP30's (breaking the speed limit), but not entirely sure about other traffic offences. If it arrives outside this time it must come with an explanation. If it goes to court this could be worth bringing up?

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#143394 - 25th Nov 2006 3:57am Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: jimbo4x4]
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It seems they did explain to him that the delay was because it was a company car Jimbo.

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#143398 - 25th Nov 2006 11:24am Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: MattLFC]
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Persue these issues :

1. 14 Days (Notice of prosection)

2. Loss of livleyhood (keeps his licence even with 6 points)

3. Obtain a copy of the evidence (If picture was taken of the rear of the car he could sell the points if his job is that important) Say someone else was driving.

4. Deny he was driving that company car on that day (Company is legally obliged to keep records of who drives what car and when)

You can research these issues easily via google.

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