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But in these days of police priorities (they don't even show for burglaries in some cases), there is little hope of the police doing anything unless a person is injured.

Despite what the media say, the RSPCA don't have any special powers, so they can't be stripped of them.

As far as people complaining about RSPCA uniforms copying the police, its actually the other way round, the RSPCA uniforms existed before police uniforms.

There is also confusion about inspectors being RSPCA, they aren't, the inspectors are local authority representatives.

Loads of disinformation from the media stirring things up.

If the RSPCA didn't do the prosections, who would?

I don't understand why the RSPCA can't step in here. If they were domestic animals they would.

Mary Chipperfield was done on 12 convictions of cruelty a number of years ago. Now we have another family member guilty in a different way, but nothing can be done !

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/263864.stm

There are a number of questions related to this:-

Have ADI reported their findings to the local council?
Have ADI reported their findings to the Secretary of State?
Have ADI reported their findings to the RSPCA?
Why do ADI never put dates (even rough ones) on their videos.
Why don't ADI prosecute? (they have exactly the same powers as the RSPCA).

A)They report their findings to every authority, including DEFRA and Government on a regular basis and many members of the public write to their MP's in an effort to bring about support for a ban on wild animals performing and being kept in circuses.
B)They won't put exact dates on videos because it would be detrimental to the undercover surveillance.
C) I think ADI have to abide by DEFRA's ruling. The RSPCA and various other animal welfare groups are lobbying Westminster for a change in legislation on performing animals and want to see animal circuses banned completely. This has been announced that it will be put back to 2020. 3 Minister's blocked it on the last two occasions. One of which wants to bring back the death penalty, so we can see how his mind works.

Thomas Chipperfield has gone to Italy and to the circuses there for the winter season, having left these animals behind for the next 4 months, here in the UK. They are not licensed at the moment,so I assume they willnot be inspected by DEFRA, but will be licensed as soon as the season starts next year, unless something stops it.

I was not having a 'go' at the RSPCA, I was merely asking why they can't intervene in such cases, but obviously no one has the answers. Looking at the updated Animal Welfare Act it seems nothing moves. Defra are duped every time they do an inspection of these circuses.

p.s. Just found out that this treatment as you see on the video is apparently legal.

Its an annual licence, it would be strange for them have let it lapse.

Also ....

"Appeal judgment into the case of South Kesteven District Council v. Mackie & Others on 12 October 1999, circus winter quarters were held to be within the definition of a circus"

Which would imply they still need a circus licence even for their winter quarters?

This is from ADI " they are not currently licensed but will need to be if touring England next year. Please help us secure the promised ban - contact your MP today. Thank you."

Also they don't need a license to travel in Wales at the moment.

I've just watched 'Lion Ark' What they achieve is incredibly stressful but incredibly successful too with so much hard work and dedication to these animals. Interestingly, Bolivia (a poor country which is what Lion Ark is about) has led the world in being the first to ban animal circuses. Here are the rest of them so far. No UK yet, the nation of animal lovers! Even Iran has banned them.

There's a list of countries on here and their varying types of bans.
http://www.stopcircussuffering.com/circus-bans/

RSPCA also campaigning. https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/wildlife/captivity/circuses

When you've got zoos you don't need a circus. We've got politics to replace the clowns.

Just read a report by RSPCA 2016,on animals in circuses with a link to the Welfare of Wild Animals in Circuses.

https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/wildlife/captivity/circuses

"
In the UK, many more wild animals are used in a variety of other mobile entertainments (collectively referred to as “mobile zoos” for this report). A survey in 2016 found that there were around 188 mobile zoos, plus 7 mobile ‘farms’, with around 3570 wild animals between them. These are minimum estimates. The animals are used for a variety of purposes, including display, handling and performing tricks at a wide range of venues. The number of calls to the RSPCA’s Cruelty and Advice Line in 2015 suggests that there is public concern about these shows. "

Pretty impossible for the RSPCA to rescue so many animals and because it's 'legal' the EFRA inspectors have the last say. I bet many of these circuses are foreigners and they are more than likely to let the animals loose, rather than be caught if they were banned. Trouble is they go into hiding and keep selling the young animals on from one circus to another. Big money. Goodness knows what happened to the elephants in Ireland. There has to be a complete ban, to stop it all.

a lot of vets will give advice and treat your pet with drugs for as long as you will let them and at about £70 a visit it is just not on when they that the animal is unlikely to recover. iwas told that i could get kemo-therapy for my dogs Lymph cacer. the vet said he could possibly live longer and when i asked "how much longer,months or years?" she said "maybe weeks. Money

Agree in a lot of cases it might well be money. Ive had friends who have been made to feel guilty because theyve chosen to to have a terminally ill dog put to sleep, rather than have it treated for uncertain improvement and uncertain length of time. I know some people would want every last minute with their dog if the extra time is quality , and they are willing to try anything to that end. Thats fine for them and I suppose the vet must suggest it to give them the option, but others declining treatment of that nature , shouldnt be made to feel bad.