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Deviants ? I like that description, because it fits precisely .

Personally, I think we should be looking further afield and study the Israeli / Arab situation, which has long been an issue. Israel were instrumental in the Iraq war, Israel have been instrumental in many conflicts, and note they go quiet, whilst everything else is heightened.
There are Israelis in positions of power connected to most western countries, and as everyone has virtually been gagged , we aren't told the truth about who or how the strings a pulled. We can't criticize a J-w, or Zion..t,(which is a political party) so are we able to say Israel or Israeli or are they now pretending they don't exist ?
Israel has support throughout the Western world, and dictate via members of their organisations, to every other Western leader. Most in Governments have connections one way or another and Israel always seem to be involved in some sort of major negotiation .

They are always at war with one or another, they have been in conflict with Syria since 1948 or about then.

That is yet another reason to be out of the EU, because Europe is becoming more and more under the influence.

If the truth be known ,this article was probably the other way around and stage managed accordingly.

Cameron: We must stay in EU to influence Europe’s approach to Israel

http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com...to-influence-europes-approach-to-israel/


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2/3 consecutive days of news. Has it been in the mainstream news?

http://observer.com/2016/09/swaggering-syria-shoots-at-israeli-jets-flying-towards-war/

Until now Israel had a carte blanche to fly over Syrian airspace. They did as they wished, and there was no significant response. Israel had a relatively free hand. That ended on Tuesday when Syrian President Bashar Assad began implementing his decision to change the entire status quo and push Israel out of Syrian airspace and off the offensive.
The Syrian press, which Israel closely monitors, declared that their High Command repelled Israeli aggression. According to the official statement released by the government to the press, “The high command issued an order at 1 a.m. to strike at the aggressive Israeli attack.” The statement also claimed that Syria “downed an Israeli plane west of Kunetra.”


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-israel-idUSKCN11N0GN

Israel's Iron Dome rocket defense system on Saturday shot down two stray "projectiles" fired during fighting in Syria's civil war, Israel's military said.

There has been frequent spillover of fighting between the factions in Syria into the Israeli-controlled Golan Heights, but this was the first time Iron Dome was activated to intercept the errant fire.

"An additional projectile fired from Syria was intercepted by the Iron Dome aerial defense system. No injuries reported," the military said in a statement, shortly after the system had first activated.

Israel usually retaliates with air strikes against battle stations in Syria.


and now.....BBC news
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37398721

The US-led coalition has admitted its planes carried out an attack in eastern Syria that the Russian army says killed at least 62 Syrian troops fighting IS.

The US said its planes halted the attack in Deir al-Zour when informed of the Syrian presence and would not knowingly strike them.

The strikes allowed IS jihadists to advance, the Russians said.

Russia earlier said the current ceasefire in Syria was in danger of collapse and the US would be to blame.

The cessation of hostilities does not include attacks by the US on IS or other jihadist groups


http://www.spiegel.de/international...s-al-kibar-nuclear-reactor-a-658663.html

(This last 'interesting' story from 2009,relating to 2007, also mentions Deir ez Zuir ') NB. If you read all pages of this article, Mossad is Israeli Intelligence Agency.

"In September 2007, Israeli fighter jets destroyed a mysterious complex in the Syrian desert. The incident could have led to war, but it was hushed up by all sides. Was it a nuclear plant and who gave the orders for the strike?


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Nothing seems to be improving, does it ? Did anyone see the programme on ITV last night about the orphaned Syrian children ? Pretty heart wrenching . One lad wants to go back to his parents in a Turkish camp, but the Turkish authorities won't allow him across the border ! It doesn't make sense.
Regard to Aleppo and the bombing and killing of innocents , I do wonder why they stay there. Someone talking on Hardtalk the other night was explaining that there is a checkpoint between East Aleppo (fighting zone) and West Aleppo. They can cross the checkpoint if they wish to. Obviously they don't wish t, which makes me wonder if those in East Aleppo are all Rebels and ISIS with their families. Surely anyone innocent and with any sense and young children would choose to leave the area if they could ? It could be that even the hospitals are being run by the same groups for their own people and maybe another possibility is that the Rebels or ISIS are holding people as human shields too, which obviously isn't working for them at the moment.
Whatever is the truth, we are tired of all of this, but they must be exhausted and the poor children from whichever side of the camp they might be placed, must be terrified.

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Dangerous times we are living in granny, any robust action taken against the Russians could light the blue touchpaper to WW3, Putin has been sabre rattling since Ukraine, is he looking for an excuse?

I too am also puzzled at why people remain in East Allepo if there is a safer place, surely they could at least move the women and children out, the only reason I can think of is that they see them as a shield against the bombing, well it hasn't worked,and the children are paying the price.

The trouble is there are so many different agenda's going on its hard to tell what is happening with any clarity,most of the Arab States appear oblivious to whats happening on the face of it, but then as ever it's tribal and religion reasons, whatever the reasons it's Europe that is taking the strain of the refugees.

Outside involvement has only made things worse instead of better, and should cease now from both sides, only humanitarian aid should be allowed, but easier said than done.

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Blame Russia?
USA is at fault here, Obama and Clinton are the ones who are the culprits.
USA is stopping all aid getting to Syria.
Putin is not the bad one where Syria is concerned

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They all have their own agenda's and they are certainly not for the good of the people of Syria, its easy to deny responsibility for what would be deemed as war crimes, because they all point the finger at each other, however to look at it logically who have aircraft and the capability? who shot down or supplied the means to shoot down a civil aircraft over Ukraine? and who has denied any association, involvement or responsibility for it?

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