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#1015810 - 1st Aug 2016 5:29pm Changes to bin collections
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The Council has opened "consultation" on the proposed new bin collections. You can vote to have a 41% smaller bin emptied every 2 weeks or keep you larger bin and have it emptied every 3 weeks.

All this with a new food waste bin. I'm afraid we won't be using the food waste bin. Economics dictates we don't produce food waste. I am sure a lot of families are in the same boat.

Not much of a consultation, more choosing the lesser of 2 evils. Who in their right mind at Wirral Council thinks that families produce so much food waste? Come on now, 41% difference? The Councillors really are not living in the real world. God help you if you have a Baby still in nappies.

The choice, sorry consultation, is on the Council's website.

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#1015814 - 1st Aug 2016 6:43pm Re: Changes to bin collections [Re: Capt_America]
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Weve had food recycling caddies for the last couple of years . They get quite full with T bags,coffee grounds, banana skins, outside leaves of brassicas, cores, peelings, manky fruit, offcuts of fat,grissle from meat, avocado stones, tops of peppers etc We dont do home composting , and the council says not to contaminate the outdoor garden bins , with kitchen waste (even raw) to prevent cross contamination.

Obviously technically theres no difference between using your garden bin in the veg patch if you have one,for trimmings etc or putting them in the caddy , but I suppose they are just keeping it very clear - if it becomes waste in the garden its the garden bin, if it becomes waste in the kitchen its the caddy . Otherwise youd have dopes just putting all sorts of cooked veg in the garden bin etc .
They dont mind you producing a lot of caddy waste (but obviously not good food ) because they use it to make biofuel .

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#1015817 - 1st Aug 2016 7:10pm Re: Changes to bin collections [Re: Capt_America]
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How often do they plan to collect & empty the food recycle bins?
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#1015820 - 1st Aug 2016 7:17pm Re: Changes to bin collections [Re: Capt_America]
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Ours are done every week. They stink something awful, (specially if youve got fish guts in it sick ) so I imagine Wirral will be the same. We have a small inside caddy, which takes 2/3 days to fill, and you trasfer contents within biodegradable bags (which we have to buy ourselves) to the outside larger caddy which is about the size of a normal old style kitchen pedal bin .

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#1015834 - 1st Aug 2016 8:36pm Re: Changes to bin collections [Re: Capt_America]
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Info found here
https://www.wirral.gov.uk/bins-and-recyc...ng-consultation

You can fill in a questionnaire here
https://www.wirral.gov.uk/bins-and-recycling/food-recycling-consultation

Originally Posted By: Capt_America
The choice, sorry consultation, is on the Council's website.

Agreed. At the bottom of the page on the first link it states

"When will the new collections start?
The new collections will start in Spring 2017."

So the decision is already made, ah well

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#1015847 - 1st Aug 2016 9:16pm Re: Changes to bin collections [Re: Capt_America]
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My daughter in Kent has the same as you Venice. It doesn't take much to fill them, particularly if one should dare to have a roast chicken carcass to get shut of, or should anyone manage to afford to throw a party in this day and age.

As you say, they have to buy their own degradable bags, which hold next to nothing. The waste food caddy is pretty small and also holds next to nothing, (not much good for a family of 4 or 5) and emptied every week, which must cost more to operate, I would have thought. The most unfortunate thing is the fact that they are so small,and low to the ground they have problems with foxes. Here it would be cats, dogs or foxes and a whole street of terraced houses with these things sitting outside overnight, is nothing less than taking us back to the dark ages. I hope the street cleaners follow on afterwards, and if the streets are not cleaned it's time the residents made their regular calls to ask , 'why not'.

A plague of rats and the black death could be the next NHS crisis.

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#1015849 - 1st Aug 2016 9:34pm Re: Changes to bin collections [Re: Capt_America]
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Understand it better now.

We ALL have a food waste bin

We then have a choice of a green bin for general waste i.e. smaller in size and emptied every two weeks, or keep the green bin we already have and have it emptied every 3 weeks.

The choice is for the green bin we think is better, and we won't necessarily get the option we should vote for.
I would still like to know with all this re-cycling programme which is good in it's own way, WHY garden waste can be thrown in the green bin as an alternative to paying an annual fee for a brown bin, and why we have to deal with so much packaging from supermarkets ? That is not our fault and we should not be taking the punishment. If it's so important to reduce waste, the supermarkets should be tackled by Government and Councils.

Progress my arse ! Bins, bins, bins, bins, .........

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#1015854 - 1st Aug 2016 10:19pm Re: Changes to bin collections [Re: Capt_America]
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If you want to take a stand against supermarkets granny, you can unpack your goods in the shop and leave the waste there.They have to keep it by law if you ask. Imagine if loads of people did it , the s mkts would soon be getting onto the manufacturers/wholesalers, as they probaly have to pay for their 'waste' too.

The caddies by the way , have an up and over locking handle which is quite effective. Never seen one opened round here by animals.

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#1015855 - 1st Aug 2016 11:02pm Re: Changes to bin collections [Re: venice]
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A lock would be a good idea. If daughters had one, I didn't see it. Why can't they make the bins a bit bigger ? It's not going to reduce food waste just because the bin is tiny is it ?

Simply means the waste will get thrown somewhere else, by many.

Might put the s.markets to the test. Try it with one I never normally go to. smile


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#1015859 - 1st Aug 2016 11:52pm Re: Changes to bin collections [Re: Capt_America]
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So in one street some will have usual size green bins and others the 41% reduced size bins. Does that mean the bin lorry has to make more trips --to get the green bins emptied. Increasing the carbon footprint?

Me thinks the 41% bin size reduction is more political just to get Wirral a gold star for "reducing" waste when in fact the amount of waste produced will be the same just redistributed.

Have a family of 5 adults all at home still and we fill green bin in 2 weeks. The volume of food waste in that 41%? I doubt it

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#1015863 - 2nd Aug 2016 12:11am Re: Changes to bin collections [Re: fish5133]
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I don't think we will all have a different one, Fish.

It's a consultation they have launched, therefore if we all put our individual choice, the council will then follow the majority vote .

If there's no food waste, then the large green bin every three weeks would be better. We wouldn't get our old furniture, old tv's or the hedge cuttings in the small green bins, would we ? laugh

If the overall consensus is to have the half size green bins, does that mean they will take away every full size green bin in Wirral and store or throw them away ? I wonder !!


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#1015864 - 2nd Aug 2016 12:49am Re: Changes to bin collections [Re: Capt_America]
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One important point;

With these light weight food bins, on a windy day , those who live on a main road, if they should blow into the main road and cause a traffic accident, whose insurance will have to cover that ? The driver, the user (although it is the property of the council), the council (for not putting lead weights in the bottom) or the refuse company for not replacing it on a doorstep ?

As the heavy bins frequently get blown over in the winds, and onto the road if they are replaced too close to the curb, the small food bins are more than likely to be rattling along the roads. Most people leave for work before the bin men arrive, so they could be blown about all day long. Quite dangerous !

All points to be considered.

If the food waste bin is to be placed alongside the other bin on a weekly basis, but if residents stick with the large green bin, and collections of only every three weeks, there will be one week when the food waste bin will be sitting on it's own. So either they can't do sums or they have already made minds up and are wasting time for Wirral residents and not consulting at all. Is that Political correctness ....


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#1015870 - 2nd Aug 2016 9:13am Re: Changes to bin collections [Re: Capt_America]
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If they issue me with a smaller green bin they are not getting my green bin ---they are great for storing spades hoes, rakes etc in, I imagine there are one or two other good uses they can be put too. Bit of ingenuity and a good composting bin.

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#1015876 - 2nd Aug 2016 10:32am Re: Changes to bin collections [Re: Capt_America]
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Granny, I suggest you fill in that questionnaire with your concerns about this new scheme
Why don't they leave the green bin as it is and just issue everyone a food caddy

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#1015880 - 2nd Aug 2016 11:30am Re: Changes to bin collections [Re: Capt_America]
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Hi Mikeeb, thats what we had a few years ago if you remember, I think I still have the small brown caddy somewhere.

Does raise all sorts of questions of scheduling collections, cost. If half a street is on the small green bin that get emptied every 2 weeks, and then the grey bin on alternate weeks, the current system essentially that seems to work. But if the other half of street use the larger green bin with a 3 week cycle how will that be fitted in. Just looks really complex and probably more costly (for us!)

My real issue is with the smell. Currently the green bin stinks after 2 weeks, imagine the smell if stuff is left for 3 weeks - especially in hot weather...

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