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#1013652 - 9th Jul 2016 6:23pm second EU referendum rejected
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The government has rejected a petition signed by more than 4.1 million people calling for a second EU referendum.
An email to those who signed the petition said the prime minister and government had "been clear that this was a once in a generation vote".
It said the decision "must be respected", adding: "We must now prepare for the process to exit the EU".
The UK voted to leave the EU by 52% to 48% in last month's referendum.
The petition gained more signatures than any other on the parliamentary website in the wake of the vote on 23 June.
It stated it was set up by William Oliver Healey and called for the government to hold a second referendum because less than 60% of the vote was in favour of Brexit and the turnout was below 75%.
In its official response to signatories, the Foreign Office said the law which set the rules for the referendum did not specify minimum conditions on turnout or margin of victory.

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#1013683 - 9th Jul 2016 9:55pm Re: second EU referendum rejected [Re: Mark]
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One would have to wonder how many people from other EU countries signed the petition. Those already residing in the UK and those who were not allowed to vote in the referendum.
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#1013750 - 10th Jul 2016 7:27pm Re: second EU referendum rejected [Re: Mark]
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As a point of interest in 1997 a Referendum was held to establish the Welsh Assembly. The turn out was 50% the votes cast in favour was 50.3% and against was 49.7%. The majority was 0.6% at the time the Labour party under Tony Blair declared it a Victory saying no matter how slim the majority it was a Definitive vote in Favour. No talk then of half the voters been {disenfranchised} or of holding a second vote.


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#1013806 - 11th Jul 2016 10:45am Re: second EU referendum rejected [Re: jimbob]
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Originally Posted By: jimbob
As a point of interest in 1997 a Referendum was held to establish the Welsh Assembly. The turn out was 50% the votes cast in favour was 50.3% and against was 49.7%. The majority was 0.6% at the time the Labour party under Tony Blair declared it a Victory saying no matter how slim the majority it was a Definitive vote in Favour. No talk then of half the voters been {disenfranchised} or of holding a second vote.


According to the News there is to be a legal challenge to the referendum on a number of points, they are going to point out that the result of the vote has no legal status, as such a decision can only be made by government, and since the result was only narrowly in favour of Brexit, it cannot be discounted that the misrepresentations and promises were a divisive or contributory factor in the result.

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#1013810 - 11th Jul 2016 11:39am Re: second EU referendum rejected [Re: Mark]
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Well it sounds like Teresa May will have none of it .

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#1013811 - 11th Jul 2016 11:46am Re: second EU referendum rejected [Re: casper]
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According to the News there is to be a legal challenge to the referendum on a number of points, they are going to point out that the result of the vote has no legal status, as such a decision can only be made by government. [/quote]

Be interesting to know how many Tory/Labour mps were for remain (if a majority) or leave in the referendum and if does go to the mps deciding, would they go against the democratic result of the majority of the voters to leave.
Similar to what's happening with Jeremy Corbyn and the PLP at the moment.



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#1013813 - 11th Jul 2016 12:08pm Re: second EU referendum rejected [Re: venice]
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Originally Posted By: venice
Well it sounds like Teresa May will have none of it .


Looks like it will be Mrs May's decision and she has stated this am. that there will be no backdoor games regarding Brexit. (not her exact words) Andrea Leadsom is about to quit the leadership bid. Perfect ! Bang on time for the summer hols. So they will know who their leader is before September, when Cameron goes and can beaver away in the run up.
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#1013872 - 11th Jul 2016 7:17pm Re: second EU referendum rejected [Re: granny]
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[quote=venice]Well it sounds like Teresa May will have none of it .


Looks like it will be Mrs May's decision and she has stated this am. that there will be no backdoor games regarding Brexit. (not her exact words) Andrea Leadsom is about to quit the leadership bid. Perfect ! Bang on time for the summer hols. So they will know who their leader is before September, when Cameron goes and can beaver away in the run up.


If the legal bigwigs are right then the decision wont be the entire responsibility of the PM, they must first of all look at the overall effect leaving will have on trade and the economy, if that effect is detrimental to the country then they have a duty to disregard the referendum,because the referendum is not legally binding it can be overturned for the good and the future of the country, lets face it if the arse falls out of it, the sole responsibility for its failure will lay at the feet of the government not the people, theirs is the ultimate decision.

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#1013880 - 11th Jul 2016 7:54pm Re: second EU referendum rejected [Re: casper]
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So are you hoping the arse will fall out of it ,Casper ?


Virgin Atlantic confirms £3bn Airbus deal for A350 planes


11:33, 11 Jul 2016
Updated 11:47, 11 Jul 2016
By Owen Hughes

The order for 12 planes is worth in the region of £3bn with the jets flying out of Heathrow and Gatwick
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FTSE 100 rises to 11-month high


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From the section Business

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Business Live: Sterling moves higher


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#1014054 - 12th Jul 2016 11:35pm Re: second EU referendum rejected [Re: Mark]
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Second EU Referendum petition being debated in Parliament but unlikely BREXIT will be overturned.
The Iron Lady wasn't for turning but Theresa may!!

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#1014089 - 13th Jul 2016 10:19am Re: second EU referendum rejected [Re: granny]
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Originally Posted By: granny
So are you hoping the arse will fall out of it ,Casper ?


Virgin Atlantic confirms £3bn Airbus deal for A350 planes


11:33, 11 Jul 2016
Updated 11:47, 11 Jul 2016
By Owen Hughes

The order for 12 planes is worth in the region of £3bn with the jets flying out of Heathrow and Gatwick
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FTSE 100 rises to 11-month high


2 hours ago

From the section Business

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Business Live: Sterling moves higher


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Good morning granny, no not at all, just thinking it would be a good get out of jail card for the politicians, absolved of all blame because this is what the electorate voted for, they are still misleading us by saying the referendum cannot be overturned, they know it can and we know it can, so why not tell the truth? why haven't they been straight with us on other issues such as free movement( the second biggest reason given for voting out) they are already hinting at a deal that will continue to allow free movement, so we will probably end up with a deal like Switzerland or Norway have, you know a hokey cokey deal, one foot in one foot out, what happened to Farage telling them they can stick it (well your not laughing now) well done Nigel giving them a stick to beat us with.

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#1014093 - 13th Jul 2016 10:39am Re: second EU referendum rejected [Re: casper]
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So far as the Government is concerned, they have said the referendum Brexit result will NOT be overturned. I haven't yet heard them say it CAN'T be overturned. If that should happen, I think anarchy, riots and civil unrest would be the name of the game. Don't you ?

The majority of England were Brexit, the overall majority in Scotland was to Remain, so far as I understand, Scotland still want their independence from the UK, so their percentage of Remain votes should not infringe on the final vote of the English and Welsh. Ireland is different, as they never hoped for breaking away from the UK. Scotland can go to hell, so far as I'm concerned, and I know you wear a kilt too, but SNP has been backed by it's people, so push off to the realms of and EU that hijacks everything in sight. Scotland won't be running the oil industry for too long.
Mrs Merkel stated in the last couple of days that Scotland and Ireland will NOT be leaving the EU. So that to me means it's already pre arranged and shored up, or they have found a loop hole to force Scotland and Ireland to remain. If that's the case, then there can be no same loop hole for England and Wales.
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#1014096 - 13th Jul 2016 11:33am Re: second EU referendum rejected [Re: casper]
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I also fail to understand why we the UK should wish to be part of a crumbling unification. Italy, on the banks of collapse with £350 billion of debts. where is all the money going to come from to keep all these people plus more from 5 more poor countries waiting to join and possibly Turkey. Have we forgotten how EU control our coal and steel ? Sly move by a German company wanting to join forces in Port Talbot plant . Have we forgotten how Germany are about to take control of our rolling stock and railways. Have we forgotten how France control our energy and that we pay higher rates in UK than any other EU country. Oh, that's gone quiet again hasn't it, or have we all forgotten why so many voted the way they did, already ? Have we forgotten the EU 2020 Strategy. Do we know that since 2004 all University Students have been educated with Globalisation being the main goal. That's why the Remain camp were so desperate to get the students to vote. Did you know that the 'remain camp' were asked to put forward 5 positive points for remaining in the EU, for campaigning on prior to the referendum ? They couldn't think of 5 and so they went for the 'fear factor' option instead.
All I can say is, when looking at Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, ....why are they doing SO badly out of being in EU ? Why would UK wish to take the chance of following as we were already the worst country placed for debt in Europe when the Financial crisis hit. We have at least managed to keep our head above the parapet, and increased growth, whilst we watched other member states sinking further and further into recession again.
I think we need a positive mood now and grip the bull by the horns instead of slinking back and think ,what's in it for us. A culture that has been developed through the EU ...money for nothing etc. But it isn't, it's our on money coming back to us under certain conditions for the EU. Making the BIG Central Banks more and more wealth.....the Banks that everyone hates so much.

Well, that's enough from here this morning. Enjoy yours and don't answer back ,Casper. Not in the mood X
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#1014097 - 13th Jul 2016 11:34am Re: second EU referendum rejected [Re: granny]
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Originally Posted By: granny
So far as the Government is concerned, they have said the referendum Brexit result will NOT be overturned. I haven't yet heard them say it CAN'T be overturned. If that should happen, I think anarchy, riots and civil unrest would be the name of the game. Don't you ?


Lets put a little hypothetical scenario forward, after a meeting of the government they find that to leave the EU would be to the detriment of this country and its future, do you think for one minute they would consider the referendum vote or what the people wanted? or that the result could not be overturned? you know as I do granny that everything a politician says should be taken with a pinch of salt, you are quite correct they didn't say can't but that is what was implied the seed was planted, they always have a get out of jail card ready, as to civil unrest, after another few years of the um party it just might happen. yes

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#1014098 - 13th Jul 2016 11:38am Re: second EU referendum rejected [Re: granny]
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Sorry granny, I had already replied before I read your last verysorry x

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