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The more I read about politicians of all parties and the policies of those parties the more I despair for this country, between them they have brought this country to its knees, the only way out of this I can see is by proportional representation, or something more drastic, the excesses of one party domination need to be curbed right left, left right, the main concern should be for the good of the country not for a political party,I fear for future generations, and the continuing rise of Punch and Judy politics that now appear to be the norm.
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Now we see 'the jungle' in Calais being broken up, oddly enough , started in the same week we were given a date for the referendum. These camps were set up in 2002, whilst migrants where being allowed to enter Britain willy nilly as mentioned on the link about Tony Blair, on the previous page..
It's a terrible thing, but for some reason any interviewed are playing the sympathy card. We see news reports that constantly give us the hopelessness that the migrants are having to deal with. That in mind, they have been offered many places to camp, or to register, but they are all wanting to get to UK and by how many different ways they can try. They are in fact there, with the idea of breaking the laws and therefore why should they be getting the sympathy vote ?
Just Giving Crowdfund, for CAL AID, raised £ £155756.23 and the appeal was closed in October 2015. One wonders how they have spent all that money !
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.......and at the same time, people here in the UK are ending up in refuse waggons , after sleeping in bins !!!
Everything (including that poor chap), is upside down.
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
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If the conscription dodgers were removed from these groups of migrants and were helping to look after their own country instead of letting everyone else do it for them, the number of remaining migrants would be a lot more manageable.
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I have no sympathy for them. They threaten our lorry drivers and they have the opportunity to register in France.
Carpe diem.
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They also hurl rocks at police and members of various forces in countries they look towards for help. One sure way to upset those who have tried to help them.
On 11th February, it was announced that three NATO warships would be patrolling the seas to intercept the migrant crossing from Turkey to Greece and Islands, and return them to Turkey. This was to happen with immediate effect.
Maybe it was a cover to position NATO warships in the area for alternative reasons, because how is it that we are being told migrants are landing on the islands at the rate of 1700 per day now ? I do wonder if we get correct information, whether we are being told a pack of lies or if there is another secret agenda. We no longer hear of any migrants coming from Libya to Italy ,Malta or anywhere else. This must still be happening but I fear it is being hushed and probably the route that many of the residents in Calais have taken.
What is the EU doing ? Nothing by the looks of it. Oh, yes another meeting this week!
Everything is beginning to appear like a bad dream. That old expression 'He who hesitates is lost.' Pretty damn right too. Who wants to be part of an EU that can't make the right decisions for us all ,in times of disasters ?
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Put simply, they are not helping themselves. I watched them attacking lorries with rocks and piece's of 2x4 the other night with no regard for the driver's safety. If they want people's help and sympathy they need to learn how to conduct themselves to gain a bit of respect. They come with too many demands,never satisfied with what is on offer.
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It's a nightmare situation. I feel for the little kids when I watch the news they shouldn't be going through that, but what else can the countries do every bodies panicking. They're the unwanted people's and that includes us. Our country is on its knees allready schools full , Nhs stretched to capacity, housing in crisis . I still think as I say there must be a place where they should be taken even if they don't want to go and helped with shelter, food water the necessities and all the countries help with this and recolonise. There will be ones that will get away but I think if I were a mother with kids I would rather that than being tear gassed etc. There must be an island or land somewhere that could be used if only temporary until things on this planet get sorted if ever! I'm being naive I hear you all say but I can't think of any other solution they've got to go somewhere and no one wants them, it's terrible but it's the truth...
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It's a nightmare situation. I feel for the little kids when I watch the news they shouldn't be going through that, but what else can the countries do every bodies panicking. They're the unwanted people's and that includes us. Our country is on its knees allready schools full , Nhs stretched to capacity, housing in crisis . I still think as I say there must be a place where they should be taken even if they don't want to go and helped with shelter, food water the necessities and all the countries help with this and recolonise. There will be ones that will get away but I think if I were a mother with kids I would rather that than being tear gassed etc. There must be an island or land somewhere that could be used if only temporary until things on this planet get sorted if ever! I'm being naive I hear you all say but I can't think of any other solution they've got to go somewhere and no one wants them, it's terrible but it's the truth... I think we all saw this was going to happen.It could have been dealt with last year.If the UE got there act together.
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Whatever happened to UN Peacekeeping forces? Take the refugees back to Syria. If there's a part of Syria that's relatively fight free near to the coast I'd suggest all the EU armies supply soldiers to such a force that could patrol that area, that would prevent arms in it and have a safe route for the supply of food and medicines etc.Given the tools etc with the help of the EU the inhabitants could start to rebuild POSSIBLY
The UN at the moment is pretty useless - the odd speech, useless meetings arranged. All talk no action.
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Nice in theory Derek, but to all accounts we are being told that 70% of refugees are not actually asylum seekers in the true sense of the word but economical migrants, some of the latest TV footage shows some refugees being interviewed, basically they are saying if they had known that they would be held up at the border and not allowed through they wouldn't have come, others are saying they are going back, so on the face of things it would appear that things cant be that bad from whence they came, maybe a simpler solution would be to put up notices and drop leaflets to to tell those thinking of making the journey that all access through Europe has stopped and the rabbit hole has been blocked up, and for the ships to escort those attempting to cross back to their original departure point, at least it would stem the flow.
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It is remarkable how, when Cameron was trying to negotiate deals with EU, the members states were not really too supportive on allowing much to change in our favour. We know this from the end result that Cameron brought back to us.
After various 'two finger's up' from some political figures of some countries, now we see them beginning to grovel. Using black mail, and yesterday, BMW (German again) the parent company of Rolls Royce , put out a warning of how things will be if we leave. A French Government minister today on the issues of border controls.
Now all I can say, is that EU and foreign companies should stay out of our decision making now and let us make our own minds up.
It would seem to be that they didn't much care originally if we left, but now they are all panicking. That's the way they operate and the games they play. Terribly naive to think we didn't understand that system , particularly after the way they dealt with Greece (and still are)and with that in mind, how on earth could we ever trust them with being the 'keepers' of all things ? Too few commanders for too many people more commanders begins to look like dictatorial with Nazi implications .
The EU is a political organisation, that will deepen integration and powers over the member sates in ever decreasing circle. Imagine a few more members joining, it will in eventually (20 yrs?) become untenable with no decision ever being agreed upon . Turkey will become a member, a huge Muslim country with completely different cultures and demands. We are the ones who will have to adapt because their culture is guided by the Qran. That means the decisions will all be made for us and your grandchildren, and we will NEVER know who is likely to sit in the 'hot' seat.. it could easily be an Imam.
We can be too trusting in a world of twisters and manipulators, liars and controllers.
Imagine anarchy taking off in Europe ? How on earth would they control the masses then ??? What difference would border controls make ? Just means we would have to show our passport when travelling from one country to another.
Working abroad, why not ? We always could , I did and so did many others. Does this mean that EU will tell us that e.g. Spain cannot employ people in the holiday season from UK, thus taking away the freedom of Spain's choice, when at the same time Germany open the country to 1 million migrants for working there.
It is with great interest, I listen to the original members of UK political parties and their opinions.
Even if it takes 10 years to put changes and get on our feet, what a trivial amount of time that is, in the whole concept of things. I'm up for another 10 yrs if it secures my grand children's future.
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The stay in group have actually put up the White Flag when they issue all these scare stories they are saying they would not be able to run the country unless we stay in the EU
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I wonder if its Cameron getting France and Germany to make these threats as we are more likely to believe them than if he just suggests those scenarios?
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We are already being run by twisters manipulators, liars and controllers, its called a Conservative government, and if we vote to leave the EU we will be left at its mercy, and any benefits in legislation we have had from Europe to protect the worker will be swept away, by all accounts some of the biggest supporters of the out campaign are small businesses, well I wonder why that is? IDS has made statements to the effect that everything being said about leaving is rubbish and will never happen, well if he's wrong it wont affect him or his other buddies they will just stuff their pockets with their ill gotten gains and move on tho leach off somebody else.
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