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Sod "recycling" - just put everything household ie non-garden, in the green bin!
THAT should raise a few hackles
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Maybe we should be thankful. This is the recycling agenda for the Abergele area. still trying to figure it out. White bag, brown boxes, wheelie bins and stuff. omg

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Good point granny, lots of local authorities have different systems for recycling some even have seperate boxes for papers, so they maybe have two or three boxes on seperate days, all in all our system isnt perfect but its not bad they always come around the same time and on bank holidays, they take stuff left by bins which they dont have to according to council guide lines, I think its got a lot better since Biffa took over.

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Originally Posted by Riverside
Another issue I have with them is where they put them back after they've emptied them, especially with this wind we've been having. As I'm generally at work when they are emptied, they have to be left out until I return.

This week just gone I came back to the grey bin resting against the rear of one of my cars, it's not the first time.

I've not got a 'Ste attitude' to bin men, they are just doing the job they're paid for and I respect them for that, but they're certainly not paid to think.


I think they dont have the time to think any more. Targets targets pressure from the bossess. Same across most council departments.makes workers unhappy in their jobs.
I always thank them just to make them feel appreciated for a moment.one heck of a walk each day

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Originally Posted by fish5133
one heck of a walk each day


You must be joking: maybe you're too young to remember when the bins were steel and had to be carried on the binman's back up the back alley to the dustcart and back again. grin


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Just to put some figures on the job the binmen used to do.
On the map, take Linwood Rd. between Town Rd. and Well Lane. The nearest the bin lorry could get would be the end of Linwood Rd. at either Town Rd. or Well Lane. There are about 24 houses on each side of Linwood Rd. and the average distance to carry each bin is about 90 feet and two trips with each bin, once full and once empty. That's a total of 4320 feet. That's just over 0.8 of a mile. I don't know how many roads were in a round but I know you'd be pretty tired at the end. thumbsdown The bins would be heavy too, with ashes and cinders from the coal fire, and smelly with food scraps. At least, the milk bottles were recycled.

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But they do far more roads per day now than they did then and they don't have time to stop and chat like they used to.


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I think you forgot to mention that they had six man crews and more vehicles at that time and the refuse went to landfill unlike the present system at Bidston transfer station.

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Originally Posted by casper
Ste, so what you are saying because the method of collecting and emptying bins has progressed along with instructions from their employers and the council not to take various things have been put into place, some of it no doubt to comply with HASWA,this now classifies them as lazy because they dont have to carry or drag metal bins? I cant for the life of me see how you can connect an improved modernised cleaner refuse collection system with being lazy, but the comment you made about putting extra bins out quote "to make them work for their money" signifies that you have a downer on binmen, thats why I put jealousy, it may not be rocket science but it is certainly a dirty thankless job out in all weathers, good luck to them.


Certainly not Casper, I'm merely comparing them to the bin men of yesteryear.

The reason we have two extra bins is due to the fact we produce more than two bins can handle, as already mentioned we got sick and tired of going to the tip every week as to keep the garage entrance and driveway clear of bin bags.

We have nothing against bin men, we have a friend who work as a bin man.


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The only reason we now have to separate items and put them in different bins it the Good Friends of some on here. The EU directive regarding heavy tax on land fill. That's as well as all the other rules they impose on us.




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But as we import the raw materials of much of what we recycle, it makes economic sense as a country to recycle.

It annoys me that Wirral don't collect all metal in the grey bin only food tins!


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Well why is it a lot of what we recycle we ship out to china.
I agree a lot of metal could and should be put in the grey bin. Then again go and look at the mountains of scrap metal sitting on the quay sides waiting to be shipped abroad.


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Originally Posted by jimbob
The only reason we now have to separate items and put them in different bins it the Good Friends of some on here. The EU directive regarding heavy tax on land fill. That's as well as all the other rules they impose on us.


That's not a bad thing. Land is at a premium and we can't waste it by burying our rubbish, especially rubbish that can be re-used.

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Originally Posted by jimbob
Well why is it a lot of what we recycle we ship out to china.
I agree a lot of metal could and should be put in the grey bin. Then again go and look at the mountains of scrap metal sitting on the quay sides waiting to be shipped abroad.


Something I never understand ..... when metal was at its highest price (about double what it is now), you'd expect all the scrapyards to have been emptied but they just seemed to keep piling it up.


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