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Youre right DD, I havent really read much about Ireland in the war myself. Maybe the bit Id heard about was just actions of the IRA in places, and not 'normal' Irish.

If we pulled out of the EU it might break up (since we are the second biggest financial contributor) and I think America would miss being able to torment Mr Putin with their military excercises etc as the EU boundaries creep closer to Russia!

Say if our financial imput isnt as important as Im imagining ,so the EU didnt break up , how much capacity do you think they (remaining EU) have to 'hamper' us in our journey without them?





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Look at Ireland during the war, its said they deliberately left lights on to guide the bombers to the uk.


You need to read the Cranborne Report, while Ireland was officially neutral, they assisted the allies on the largest scale possible while keeping the facade of neutrality. 50,000 Irish people joined the UK armed forces voluntarily.

Ireland risked the wrath of America by remaining officially neutral, the UK even tried to bribe the Irish government by offering them Northern Ireland if they dropped their neutrality and joined the allies. Overall it didn't do Ireland any harm, the Americans seemed to forgive them overnight as I am sure they would us if we left the EU.

America are a bit scared of the EU developing into a super-power, if the UK broke up the EU we may even be treated as heroes once the dust settled.

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Originally Posted by palemoon
Weird this. Last night I was telling some guys at my snooker club that I had started this poll and just out of interest we decided to take a poll in the club. The result were exactly the same as the results, so far, here. If this is an indication of the public's feelings it does make you wonder where the 'Stay' votes will come from.


Because this and your straw poll respondents are very local, similar, and not representative of an entire nation?

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Could we keep this poll running and up to date as once it's gone off the screen , many members won't be aware of it. I'm sure there would be more votes by now.

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Originally Posted by muzzy2
Could we keep this poll running and up to date as once it's gone off the screen , many members won't be aware of it. I'm sure there would be more votes by now.
Try pm Palemoon,Muzzy he/she put the thread up smile

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I have forwarded a request to Mark.

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I cant see an end date to the Poll so it would keep running.

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Just been listening to Nicola Sturgeon. How well these politicians can twist and manipulate to get the end result they wish for(or try to) .

She will campaign to stay in EU. In 2013 she was campaigning to become independent from the rest of UK. Now she wants the rest of the UK to vote to stay in EU.

If we vote to leave, Scotland will have to have a referendum to go independent from UK. So what's the change ??

She can take Scotland to where she wants. I believe that Scotland has lost all credibility with the rest of the UK due to her actions.
Strong, she may be, but the general population of the rest of the UK, couldn't give a monkey's anymore. You can't pull the same stunt twice and we'll vote how we want to, without listening to what Scotland may like us to do.



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A cynic may think she wants to stay so she can use it to split with Scotland, if we vote to stay does that mean she will then not try to split again?

If we vote leave she will use it saying we "Scots" cant control our own destiny. ironically why we are having the vote in the 1st place.

I suppose which ever the vote goes she can spin it too suit her agenda.

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I think Wee Bernie would like to see "The Auld Alliance" reinstated. Listened to her this morning as well, she's a crafty one I'll give her that. Still, politician, say no more.


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I think it's time we in England had a referendum to remove Scotland from the United Kingdom.


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I think we should have a referendum on which referendums ( referenda?) we should have.

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Now we shall have to sort the chaff from the wheat, but will voluntarily be excluding anything that comes forth from Ian Duncan Smith.
What a shame he's in the out team. Boris could make the case, whilst the other jerk mentioned above, could destroy it in one easy sentence.
Chris Grayling comes across as a weak character too, but he probably isn't.
Benn, doesn't sound so convincing that he truly believes in the 'yes' camp, but hands are bound. Saying that, neither did Cameron. Maybe he's not actually happy with the deal but can't change his mind.

Lots for us to think about.


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Chancellor George Osborne says quitting the EU would cause a profound economic shock

What authority does someone, whose financial qualifications stretch to a BA in history, have to make a statement like this?
My 'A' level in Maths surely trumps him whistle

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I suppose the same as Gordon Browne. Another with a First Class Honours in History.


There must be a connection with history and Chancellors, which we have yet to understand.


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Not going to vote as the news knew who won the election 5 mins after the polls closed so it all fixed anyway, and if everyone in the UK did vote with all the people from the EU living here the vote will be to stay anyhow wink

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