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Originally Posted by granny
Originally Posted by SUExx
Exactly, lots of people in work would prob like to take to the streets to protest about having to work twice as hard for no extra pay when staff leave and arent replaced. LIFE IS STILL UNFAIR TO ALL.


Single Unemployed mum with two children = £1,400 per month.= Approx. £16,800 per annum.
No council tax to pay
Housing benefit given
Rent equals poss. £600
Need two bedrooms

Single Working father with two children = £1,400 per month =Approx £16,800 per annum
Pays Council tax
Pays Tax
Pays National Insurance
Pays Rent £600
Needs two bedrooms
Pays to get to work
Pays child maintenance
Expected to have children 2/3 nights/days per week

Single Unemployed father with two children= £71 per week = £3,692 per annum
Housing benefit given
Needs 2 bedrooms
Will have to pay BT if social housing
Needs to see children and feed them
No Council Tax
Needs to pay bills
Needs to travel to collect children
Needs to travel for any possible job interview

Now, if I am wrong, please let me know, but it would
a) seem that the chaps get a far worse deal than the females, and
b) It would seem that working at the moment on a fairly average salary for this part of the country, is clearly, very hard to get by on. Who is worse off?
If the companies began to increase the salaries some, I think more would be prepared to get out and work, more would go into the council tax pots and maybe this BT would not needed to have happened.


or you could have single mother working paying child care council tax, housing benefit, rent etc for just £10 better of which is the better alternative?

It pays to work Cameron says yes it does but for a few ££ extra is it worth it?

Minimum wage needs increasing to make it more appealing for people on benefits to want to work.

This is a scenario i have seen questioned a few times.

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This current hypocritical government, is piece by piece, bit by bit, are dismantling and destroying our welfare state and public sector.
In the guise of reducing the national deficit, and pretence of seeking to reform the ‘benefit culture’ we have a £5 Billion work programme scheme, which creates significant wealth for the private companies involved and those finding work placements,only being paid £56.25/wk (under 25s) £71/wk (over 25,s) having the effect of destabilizing the jobs market is in fact unlawful if human rights laws were applied.
A further £100 Million/yr paid to Atos Origin + £50 Million/yr paid to the justice system for appeals/tribunals in order to justify who is actually sick & disabled and fund a seriously flawed Work Capability Assessment is grossly wasteful.
More people in work are needing housing benefit, Wages are being driven down by desperation, workers rights are being eroded, wages frozen or even reduced, rents shooting through the roof, desperately needed social housing not being built,
Can we really ask ourselves, if this is value for money?
Do we really want a completely corporate/privatised nation?
Can we sit back and allow the rich to become wealthier and the poor & sick become weaker?
How do you want the future to be shaped for your children and their children?

The Govt & media are doing an excellant job of brainwashing most people to believe that the poorer of society are the scroungers, when in reality that is not true, people of this nation need to wake up.


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Completely off topic but wirral partnership homes is cjanging its name to magenta living in summer 2013

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So there you go. Another part of Wirral Council outsourced.Ha! Our labour council kept that one quiet, didn't they?
The BT must be part of the whole equation . Raise the prices of rental property which also then includes figures of any available for occupancy, only to be considered by someone else, to take it off your hands.

Company registered in Birmingham .

http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/magenta-living

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Originally Posted by rottylady
This current hypocritical government, is piece by piece, bit by bit, are dismantling and destroying our welfare state and public sector.
In the guise of reducing the national deficit, and pretence of seeking to reform the ‘benefit culture’ we have a £5 Billion work programme scheme, which creates significant wealth for the private companies involved and those finding work placements,only being paid £56.25/wk (under 25s) £71/wk (over 25,s) having the effect of destabilizing the jobs market is in fact unlawful if human rights laws were applied.
A further £100 Million/yr paid to Atos Origin + £50 Million/yr paid to the justice system for appeals/tribunals in order to justify who is actually sick & disabled and fund a seriously flawed Work Capability Assessment is grossly wasteful.
More people in work are needing housing benefit, Wages are being driven down by desperation, workers rights are being eroded, wages frozen or even reduced, rents shooting through the roof, desperately needed social housing not being built,
Can we really ask ourselves, if this is value for money?
Do we really want a completely corporate/privatised nation?
Can we sit back and allow the rich to become wealthier and the poor & sick become weaker?
How do you want the future to be shaped for your children and their children?

The Govt & media are doing an excellant job of brainwashing most people to believe that the poorer of society are the scroungers, when in reality that is not true, people of this nation need to wake up.



Well said rotty. I work part time on minimum wage as I care for my disabled wife who has had her once incapacity benefit halved despite winning ESA appeal against ATOS because the government say a married couple can live on £111 a week. I'd like to see them try it - they probably spend more than that on a meal!
We already pay bedroom tax, as LHA on private tenancies is so low we have to find £106 a month towards it. And now somehow we have to find another £16 towards council tax. Blood from a stone springs to mind, I can see WBC's nasty enforcement department and bailiffs laughing already frown

I've worked all my life, paid taxes and now I'm a scrounger it seems. While millionaries get a tax break; All in it together my hairy posterior!

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Originally Posted by jen8505
Completely off topic but wirral partnership homes is cjanging its name to magenta living in summer 2013


A few months ago the booklets that are delivered via WPH explained this new change.

I remember reading it as there was another name they where going to use but it ended up Magenta being the new name.

Also found this>

http://www.wirralnews.co.uk/wirral-...wirral-partnership-homes-80491-31903637/

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I didn't see anything in the last issue. I got the spring issue this morning and its in there saying they had 2 names to choose between and chose magenta living at a meeting in February but the name magenta living was registered in August. Someone's telling porkies. Considering they have no money they have enough to change the name, move offices and print all the new stationery with the new logo and address on them

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Originally Posted by jen8505
I didn't see anything in the last issue. I got the spring issue this morning and its in there saying they had 2 names to choose between and chose magenta living at a meeting in February but the name magenta living was registered in August. Someone's telling porkies. Considering they have no money they have enough to change the name, move offices and print all the new stationery with the new logo and address on them


I gather that you don't run a business?

Westminster House allows them to consolidate a large number of properties they were using before. Everything in one place.

They need to look to the medium and long term, not just the short term.


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Originally Posted by jen8505
I didn't see anything in the last issue. I got the spring issue this morning and its in there saying they had 2 names to choose between and chose magenta living at a meeting in February but the name magenta living was registered in August. Someone's telling porkies. Considering they have no money they have enough to change the name, move offices and print all the new stationery with the new logo and address on them


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http://www.wphomes.org.uk/Libraries/Leaflets/WPH_News_December_2012.sflb.ashx

Classed as 'rebranding'. Definition of 'rebranding' can also incude changing an organisation. Not just the name.
It would appear that 'social housing' as it is now known and means, is likely to change before too long. These things don't happen for no apparent reason.
It's all 'back door' stuff and the whole bloody lot is beginning to stink to high heaven. IMOP.
I peronally don't give a monkeys on millionaires good fortune, whether they pay more or less tax than they should etc.etc.etc. and all the things that people winge about if they are not on the same high and mighty level. I winge about the fact that there is so much underhanded, manipulated, behind closed door, changes being made, which is known about at a local level and no one ever mentions these things with clarity, until it is alomst too late for reprieve. The councillors we elect are abismal. I sent an email to two of them about 3/4 weeks ago. To date, I haven't even received an acknowledgement. Also, when they appear to appease, it's empty words. They are not involved from a local concern even if they appear to be.
How can anyone know what it's like to loose a leg,if they haven't experienced it?
How can anyone know what it's like to loose a child, if they haven't experienced it?
How can anyone know what it is to live on £71 per week, if they haven't experienced it?
How can anyone know what it's like to loose your home, if they haven't experienced it?
If they know, the least they can do is be open , above critisism and listen. Listen so hard that their ears bleed with pain and take the bloody messages back to base and then make them listen so hard that their ears bleed with pain.
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